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Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Martinus (IP Logged)
Date: 1 March, 2021 12:49PM
Knygatin Wrote:
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> It was developed in inspiration from Dunsany's
> Jorkens tales. They knew each other (only through
> correspondence?).

They met once, at Dunsany's Kent residence Dunstall Priory. Clarke has described how Dunsany hand-corrected his copy of The Charwoman's Shadow in his presence.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 1 March, 2021 01:19PM
I'm working thru the White Hart stories. They are oddly distasteful without much in the way of aesthetic or humorous compensation when compared to the Jorkens stories.

Jorkens belongs to a private club in the UK. He is somewhat disreputable--a sort of a better educated, more sophisticate, less shopworn W. C. Fields. He is always trying to cadge drinks, and he tells a story when he gets one.

He has one other member who wants to trip him up, and there's a kind of constant push-pull competition, with Jorkens--because he plays dirty, essentially--coming out on top mostly.

The club itself seems almost laughable, with privileged but essentially undistinguished, but harmless, members relying mainly on ideas of class and status for any sense of worth. Dunsany is inviting us to laugh at them in the same way the Marx Bros invite their audience to laugh at the wealthy in their films.

However, with White hart, these are academics in a chosen bar. They are mean-spirited and supercilious and petty, and are looking for ways to prey on new visitors to the bar by simply making them look like fools. There's no real invitation to laugh at the "regulars", so the general feeling I get is "What a sorry bunch of jerks!".

Interestingly, one of the stories, "Silence, Please", seems to me to anticipate the conceptual design of the Bose noise cancelling earphones.

[www.bose.com]

--Sawfish

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Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 11 April, 2021 02:09PM
Like I have asked before, about A. Merritt being the greatest fantasist ever, I must now also ask if John W. Campbell was the greatest science fictionist ever. Even greater than Arthur C. Clarke and A. E. van Vogt?! (Oops, sitting here relaxed on this pleasant Sunday afternoon, enjoying a glass of Madeira, I first wrote Vincent van Gogh! Well, no harm done. By the way, he was perhaps the greatest of all colorists?) I have been looking again at "Twilight" and "Night", and they raise such ecstatic passion inside me, that I am unable to harbor it rationally; and so I had no choice, but to write down this post, to save my sanity.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 11 April, 2021 02:56PM
Knygatin Wrote:
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> Vincent van Gogh! ... By the way, he was
> perhaps the greatest of all colorists?)
>

No, he certainly wasn't. For instance, he couldn't hold a light to Richard Corben.
But greatest impressionist?! Yes, possibly, ... very likely. (Far superior to Gauguin.) And he was damned fine at drawing, too!

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 11 April, 2021 04:52PM
Knygatin Wrote:
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> Like I have asked before, about A. Merritt being
> the greatest fantasist ever, I must now also ask
> if John W. Campbell was the greatest science
> fictionist ever. Even greater than Arthur C.
> Clarke and A. E. van Vogt?!

H. G. Wells would get my vote, apologist for the Commies though he was.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 01:19AM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin Wrote:
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> > Like I have asked before, about A. Merritt
> being
> > the greatest fantasist ever, I must now also
> ask
> > if John W. Campbell was the greatest science
> > fictionist ever. Even greater than Arthur C.
> > Clarke and A. E. van Vogt?!
>
> H. G. Wells would get my vote, apologist for the
> Commies though he was.

I thoroughly enjoyed The First Men in the Moon.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 03:35AM
As a kid I read War of the Worlds in the Classics Illustrated, and have not felt motivated to pick up the original book after that. The story is so well known that it is almost integrated within the collective consciousness. I have a pdf Amazing Stories pulp with The Island of Dr. Moreau waiting in my reading pile. I read "The Flowering of the Strange Orchid", but found it rather bland, not as rich as C. A. Smith's tree and flower stories.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 03:45AM
The Time Machine is available in George Pal's excellent movie, so why should I also read the book?

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 09:12AM
Knygatin Wrote:
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> The Time Machine is available in George Pal's
> excellent movie, so why should I also read the
> book?


You [i]are[i] kidding -- right? : )

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 09:57AM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin Wrote:
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> > The Time Machine is available in George Pal's
> > excellent movie, so why should I also read the
> > book?
>
>
> You are kidding -- right? : )


When I saw that cannabis was being widely legalized, this was the very outcome that I feared.

;^)

--Sawfish

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Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 10:04AM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin Wrote:
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> > The Time Machine is available in George Pal's
> > excellent movie, so why should I also read the
> > book?
>
>
> You are kidding -- right? : )

Half and half. I'm a bit tired, that's all. There are so many books to choose from, ... and I really only have time to read a select few. I want those ones to be the very most worthwhile for me personally. I realize, of course, that only a small part of a well written book can go into a film, so my comment above was half-hearted.

But yeah, I do like George Pal. My favorite of his is The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm.

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 10:37AM
I mean, Knygatin, what would you think of HPL if all you know of his work was what you'd seen in a movie? Gahhh!

Wells's main sf books* are all pretty short, too.

Time Machine
Moreau
First Men in the Moon
War of the Worlds

maybe Invisible Man -- but I see that more as an ironic and clever fantasy; tho' with a nominal sf explanation for the invisibility factor.

Of the stories, well, quite a few, I'm sure, but without looking I'd say at least

The Crystal Egg
The Sea-Raiders
The Star -- I think that's title
The Country of the Blind

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 11:08AM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> I mean, Knygatin, what would you think of HPL if
> all you know of his work was what you'd seen in a
> movie? Gahhh!
>

Gahhh!!! I cringe and fold myself double!

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 02:50PM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Wells's
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> Of the stories, well, quite a few, I'm sure, but
> without looking I'd say at least
>
> The Crystal Egg
> The Sea-Raiders
> The Star -- I think that's title
> The Country of the Blind

I have now assembled those four. Thank you, Dale. "The Country of the Blind", is that a genuine SF tale, or an instructive morality lesson?

Re: The Golden Age of Science Fiction.
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 12 April, 2021 03:36PM
Knygatin Wrote:

> > "The Country of the Blind", is that a genuine SF
> tale, or an instructive morality lesson?


I'd say it was a genuine "lost race" type of story. Wells's "Empire of the Ants" is another short one to read. As I recall "The Plattner Story" is a good story with a dull title.

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