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editorial overreach
Posted by: Kipling (IP Logged)
Date: 8 March, 2017 04:45PM
Regarding the use of the verb "show" in Lovecraft, referencing the Hippocampus Press edition, here are the locations of STJ's erroneous usages of the British variants, often in conjunction with modal constructions (can show)or the infinitive(to show). Characters who are not narrators would naturally not have used these British variants in most instances, and it is unfortunate for the academic reception of the now-standardized editions that Mr. Joshi "felt" and "believed" that it was somehow appropriate to systematise Lovecraft's use of this verb:
Vol. I: p.196 (show), 199 (shown), 292 (shown), 302 (strewed; STJ curiously chose "strowed"), 306 (showed), 310 (show), 313 (showing).
Vol II: p.60(3 examples should read "show"), 63 (HPL's comma after "the blasphemous horror" should not have been deleted), 64 (shown and showed), 65 (showing), 66 (shows), 88 (shows), 478 (show), 494 (showed), 500 (showed), 508 (showed).
Vol. III: p.28 (shows...from the transcript of Lake's call), and p.56 (show).
Again, HPL clearly chose the "o" over the "e" in these cases for very sound stylistic reasons. I
wonder what others may think about this.

jkh



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 8 Mar 17 | 04:47PM by Kipling.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Ancient History (IP Logged)
Date: 8 March, 2017 07:50PM
I wonder why, of all hills to die on you picked this one, and why you decided to do it here.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Kipling (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2017 01:25PM
Spare me your awkward use of metaphor. Why did the fool you voted for choose Mt. Washington to die on?
If your nerves can take the ascent
(no guardrails, 28 below zero Saturday with heavy dense fog, kind of like your mental climate)
go there and jump off, pipsqueak.

jkh

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Ancient History (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2017 03:47PM
Yeah, because the guy that randomly comes to a Clark Ashton Smith forum to bitch about a few particular words in how S. T. Joshi edited the work of H. P. Lovecraft is fit to call others dense. Did you get kicked off of a Lovecraft forum or something?

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: wilum pugmire (IP Logged)
Date: 13 March, 2017 01:15PM
S. T.'s editorial work on Lovecraft's text has been outstanding and passionate and supremely intelligent. It has me looking at images of Lovecraft's typed manuscripts, and this has me wondering. Lovecraft seems to have enjoy'd getting his revision clients to type up his stories as a form of payment for the revision work he did on their tales, and I am wondering if, in so doing, these scribes follow'd Lovecraft's preference for British spelling or if they alter'd that aspect of his texts. I am super-excited about pouring into the Variorum edition of ye revisions & collaborations!

"I'm a little girl."
--H. P. Lovecraft, Esq.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Kipling (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2017 02:56PM
wilum pugmire Wrote:
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> S. T.'s editorial work on Lovecraft's text has
> been outstanding and passionate and supremely
> intelligent. It has me looking at images of
> Lovecraft's typed manuscripts, and this has me
> wondering. Lovecraft seems to have enjoy'd getting
> his revision clients to type up his stories as a
> form of payment for the revision work he did on
> their tales, and I am wondering if, in so doing,
> these scribes follow'd Lovecraft's preference for
> British spelling or if they alter'd that aspect of
> his texts. I am super-excited about pouring into
> the Variorum edition of ye revisions &
> collaborations!

"When we attend less to "authority" and more to principles, when we look less at merit and more at demerit (instead of the converse, as some persons suggest), we shall then be better critics than we are. We must neglect our models and study our capabilities. The mad eulogies on what occasionally has, in letters, been well done, spring from our imperfect comprehension of what it is possible for us to do better."
--Edgar Allan Poe
Mr. Joshi has erred, specifically, by not following Lovecraft's autograph and typed manuscripts in rendering the speech of Tillinghast and Pickman in "From Beyond" and "Pickman's Model," and in the "call from Lake" (the biologist) on page 28 of volume 3 of the Variorum edition, as in his previous editions. Another 29 instances in volume 2 of changing from the American spelling used by Lovecraft to the British spelling of forms of to show[u] preferred by Joshi are perhaps[u] justifiable by his desire for uniformity/consistency in usage of the verb, but there is [u]no question that Lovecraft preferred to use "show" or "shown" in the half-dozen examples mentioned above. The two characters are both "off the deep end" and HPL apparently chose to use the "American" spellings in their dialogue. Of the other 29, a significant number appear to me as conscious choices to use "show" rather than "shew" when an art-product forms the preceding noun: "the canvas showed," "the picture showed," or when a Natural object or background is subject: "by the way it shows" (the constellations, in "The Strange High House in the Mist", p.88 vol. 2). Yes, HPL almost always preferred "shew" to "show," in his letters, but if such a pattern as I describe indicates that he did in fact prefer "show" in certain [u]fictional contexts[u] (the crucial distinction in my view), then what, other than a foolish consistency, is gained by altering what he wrote in both his autograph and typed manuscripts? No, six perceived errors in judgement affecting an otherwise dazzling job of editing will not be seen as worth pointing out by many people-- hence my need to quote our beloved Edgar. I believe this error arose from an over-emphasis on the fact that, as Massimo Berruti wrote, Lovecraft "reserves for himself an absolutely privileged, demiurgic role in the fictional world." (2009 Lovecraft Annual)

jkh



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16 Mar 17 | 03:01PM by Kipling.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Minicthulhu (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2017 01:16PM
Once I wrote an email to T.S.Joshi because I wanted to know why he had never mentioned an obscure horror writer Robert Murray Gilchrist in his works. To my surprise, he answered me. :-)

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 19 April, 2017 03:40PM
Kipling Wrote:
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> Spare me your awkward use of metaphor. Why did the
> fool you voted for choose Mt. Washington to die
> on?
> If your nerves can take the ascent
> (no guardrails, 28 below zero Saturday with heavy
> dense fog, kind of like your mental climate)
> go there and jump off, pipsqueak.

This is the reason why I seldom frequent this forum any more: too many trolls coming in to further their own personal agendas and hide behind pseudonyms. It never hurts to be courteous.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Platypus (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2017 08:24PM
Joshi also forces HPL to say "shew" and "shewn" (and other things) even when HPL is supposed to be pretending to be the modern American celebrity magician Harry Houdini. I never saw the point to that at all.

HPL had consistent handwriting, which is of course a useful trait when you and others (such as the people he shanghaied to do his typing for him) have to dechipher your handwriting later. But it seems that HPL's typists, and indeed HPL himself when he did his own typing, usually translated "shew" in script to "show" in type. I can only assume that was exactly what HPL wanted.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27 Apr 17 | 09:14PM by Platypus.

Re: editorial overreach
Posted by: Platypus (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2017 09:06PM
Scott Connors Wrote:
> This is the reason why I seldom frequent this
> forum any more: too many trolls coming in to
> further their own personal agendas and hide behind
> pseudonyms. It never hurts to be courteous.

And yet, on the other hand, even if you find being discourteous to be painful, you must have decided you could endure it. I admire your courage in the face of discomfort.



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