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Re: Lovercraft and materialism (new branch from the Hieroglyphs thread)
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 20 February, 2021 02:27PM
I'll have to check this out, Dale.

The Rime made a big impression on me--not only is it almost phantasmagorical in feeling as it progresses thru the narrative.

But the idea, as I recall it, that a wedding party comes down the beach in one direction--likely with laughter and merry-making--and the old coot, coming up the beach from the the direction, buttonholes them and tells them his story, which had to have put a damper on the festive spirit.

I mean, sole survivor plus a near-death experience.

Dale, maybe you ca help. I never figured exactly what Coleridge means by "Rime", which sounds like rhyme, but to me means a frost-coating. I realize that parts took place in what? near Antarctica?, but...

What's going on here? What was the intent?

In the 60's, at San Diego State, I was *sure* he was on drugs when writing Kublai Khan...

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"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,
a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish

Re: Lovercraft and materialism (new branch from the Hieroglyphs thread)
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 20 February, 2021 02:31PM
AS I understand it, Tolkien and HPL *did* meet once, at a restaurant, but Tolkien never forgave HPL for sneaking a whoopie cushion onto his chair when he went briefly to the restroom...

Little known fact.

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"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,
a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish

Re: Lovercraft and materialism (new branch from the Hieroglyphs thread)
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 20 February, 2021 04:14PM
Knygatin Wrote:
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> Off topic, but I think Lovecraft would have been
> very impressed by J. R. R. Tolkien. There are old
> LP recordings available on Youtube of Tolkien
> reading and singing, and speaking elvish, from The
> Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. It is music to
> my ears. His passion and dedication is
> remarkable.
>
> Lovecraft philosophical materialist, and Tolkien
> born Catholic. I think if they had met, and if
> Tolkien had been patient, he would have
> appreciated Lovecraft's intellectual scope. But
> Lovecraft may have acted diffident, closing up
> like a clam. I think the real issue is that of a
> lack of academic schooling, which made Tolkien
> automatically tower above in authority. Both
> Lovecraft and Smith were freewheeling rebels,
> self-taught outsiders, ... just the same,
> geniuses. But their lack of formal schooling,
> would have caused social diffidence and inhibition
> for them in Tolkien's company.
>
> Even though a materialist, Lovecraft was
> passionate. His wife Sonia has described how, when
> Lovecraft read literature aloud, his voice would
> transform and completely become the part, acting
> out in deep empathy.

It's Tolkien's friend C. S. Lewis whom I could wish had sat down for a conversation with Lovecraft. They had some things in common, and Lewis was probably more receptive to weird fiction than HPL. Lewis would have understood HPL's beliefs from within -- he can sound like the man from Providence in some of the things he wrote as a young man. Have I written about that here already? Also, did I write about Lewis's idea, as a young man, of writing a weird tale play with a friend? It really sounds like something that could have been published in Weird Tales. Lewis had been a big fan of Algernon Blackwood, as Lovecraft had.

Re: Lovercraft and materialism (new branch from the Hieroglyphs thread)
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 20 February, 2021 04:18PM
Sawfish, the spelling "rime" was intended by Coleridge to evoke an earlier literary era. I trust you have read the poem with the wonderful "glosses" by a later annotator (actually by Lewis). And that's another of the things HPL and STC had in common, that knack for pastiche antiquarian writing. That famous "translation" from the Necronomicon, about how They walk unseen, etc., and STC's "glosses" to the Ancient Mariner, etc.

Re: Lovercraft and materialism (new branch from the Hieroglyphs thread)
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 20 February, 2021 04:28PM
Just think, Sawfish, if there is an infinity of universes, your whoopie cushion incident must actually have occurred.

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