Re: The Super thread of literature, art, music, life, and the universe in general
Posted by:
Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 30 January, 2021 12:16PM
Excellent post, K.
Interleaved, below:
Knygatin Wrote:
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> > > Good Grief! I would never throw stones at
> > barking
> > > dogs. What kind of barbaric behavior is
> that?!
> > > That sounds more like something you'd see in
> > the
> > > Middle East.
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> > I must be getting senile...
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> > You're not the same Knygatin who speaks avidly
> of
> > martial cane twirling, are you?
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> > :^)
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> I guess we could say that bipeds are the only ones
> I mistrust. The other species are more predictable
> and innocent. Bipeds, of bad conditioning and
> background, tend to be calculating, false,
> hypocritical, neurotic, confused, mean and
> dangerous; the only species that has actively,
> calculated through the large brain, turned away
> from God and Nature, and entered darkness. To
> lesser or greater degree. A misfit, quite tiresome
> to deal with. Basically misled from early age
> through culturally enforced conventions and bad
> genetic heritage. Many have an ongoing existential
> struggle to get back to Truth, meanwhile being
> socially unpredictable. Not all. Not the few
> enlightened. Simply put, I don't feel safe walking
> around in big cities and decadent societies.
Yes, same here.
For what it's worth (probably nothing), I think a lot of what you observe--correctly, in my opinion--about humans also applies to primates in general. I think it's just a nasty, highly opportunistic branch of the animal kingdom, and maybe I've shared this with you, but...
About 40 years ago, watching a Jane Goodall documentary on chimps for the nth time, it stuck me like a thunderbolt: all I will ever need to know about humans I can learn from a Goodall documentary, and extrapolate for intellectual sophistication.
So humans share all the same negative traits as the hyper-social ape species--chimps, baboons, etc.--but are simply better at it than the apes.
I'll go on record with that one, too.
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> If I were to meet a dangerous dog (a barking dog
> is not the same as dangerous) attacking me, I
> would of course defend myself. But it would be
> highly unpleasant. A biped criminal threatening
> me, on the other hand, I would gladly give a good
> bashing.
Yes, me too.
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> Thank you Cathbad and Sawfish for your interesting
> observations of cats and dogs. I really enjoyed
> that. I am sure you know of Lovecraft's
> interesting essay "Cats and Dogs" (which can be
> found online). He favored cats, and I am sure he
> experienced their sensous seductive beauty in the
> way Sawfish describes above, but used other words,
> seeing cats as very high standing, dignified, and
> aristocratic. Fritz Leiber was also obsessed with
> cats, and they frequently appear in his writings.
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> I am afraid I cannot add much to these
> observations, I have related to animals
> subconsciously and intuitively, without thinking
> much about it. I simply enjoy the company of dogs.
> The only thing I am aware of, is that you must be
> perceptive in the present and true to yourself and
> the dog. Like with humans. Giving and receiving.
> Dogs are goofy, and I like that. They make us
> laugh. They teach us to be joyful. They never hold
> a gripe, always trying to please and cheer things
> up. Always generous. They guard our home, and help
> us in the hunt. They are at the same time
> completely dependent upon us. That is why I find
> it heartbreaking if people are cruel to them, like
> being cruel to children. Same with all other pets.
Yes, there's no excuse for this that I'd accept. What are offered as exculpatory "reasons" sound to me like excuses.
When I retired, and afterward when I got bored, I thought about some kind of "public service"-oriented volunteerism, and you know what? The ***ONLY*** thing that had any appeal, at all, was to volunteer at an animal shelter of some kind.
As my mobility decreased rapidly, this never came to pass, but oh, well!
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> Now, dogs which are indifferent, are so because
> they have been seriously mistreated when raised.
> Dogs are social beings, they are not meant to be
> chained and isolated outside in a yard.
Nah. This is why I go with cats at present. I can't stand to see dogs in quarters that are too close for them. They don't actually complain, but when I take them out and I see what they do, I know, for sure, that they need sufficient space.
The cats I always let roam freely. They are sort of the OG bad-asses of the domesticated animal world. Kill-or-be-killed types, at the core. E.g., when they first step outside, they sorta look around, casing the situation, like George Raft in the old gangster movies.
And in an odd sense, it is spiritually liberating to consider that right now, your cat, who is indoors to provide you with opportunities for worship (as they see it), could, if they wanted, be outside roving. They are here because at this moment they *want* to be.
Now, it's likely because of a comfortable sofa, and not the pleasure of your company, but still...
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> Being a pleaser, co-dependent, a dog-person, I
> have sometimes been attracted to anti-dependent
> cat-women (we tend to look for qualities we miss
> in ourselves), and cat-men in terms of friendship,
> and have learned my painful lessons (and true
> completion can only come from within). Anyhow,
> from an aesthetic perspective, I prefer cute
> dog-girls to beautiful cat-girls. Although it is
> not always quite that simple. People can be a
> little bit of both.
Hah! Interesting observation about women. I can *see* it, too....
--Sawfish
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