Re: The Super thread of literature, art, music, life, and the universe in general
Posted by:
Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 4 April, 2021 06:53PM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin, your wrote "Feminism is an evil,
> designed to make women independent," etc.
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> I have sympathy with some of what you said, but
> have you thought about the implied corollary, if
> women are not to be "independent"? It is that
> there will be men upon whom women can depend.
I viewed K's statement as a conversationally hyperbolic simplification, for sake of clarifying the phenomenon of modern political feminism and its goals.
These goals are, succinctly, antithetical to most evolved social traditions, which does not make them evil. I seldom am comfortable with terms like good/evil, right/wrong because they are, to me subjective--but I allow as how subjectivity is how humans perceive and experience the universe. So the idea of the most common traditional man-woman relationship (which we can explore in detail if we need to) supposes that the male provides/protects the female and their shared offspring, allowing her advantages in child-bearing and rearing. If an individual is raised in such a tradition, and the majority of the adults within that group similarly accept and are comfortable with it, it is then "right" for that group.
And if it can be shown that the traditional system has evolved to benefit the raising of subsequent generations, and has done so successfully and consistently, then any contrary male/female social models must equal or better the evolved system or face the simple truth that subsequent generations are now placed at a relative disadvantage to those born under the old system, and then the $64 question: what, specifically was gained, and for whom, in this trade-off?
Why did society choose to do this? To what ends?
If society then rationally accepts that yes, in the new system the raising/rearing is diminished, but it has other benefits that the society now values more highly, that's an acceptable societal compromise.
But never, ever try to say to me that there was not a trade-off--that there was no diminution of child-raising. You'd have to say that it's diminished, but the perceived trade-off advantages are more important a priority.
Again, OK, if that's what society wants, although I may choose to absent myself from that society, if I'm free to do so.
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> But are there very many such men around in modern
> American-European society? There are not, from
> what I have observed, for example when I was a
> college-level teacher. It seems rather that there
> are hardly any.
Well then, they'd better learn how to get it up, is all I can say.
--Sawfish
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