Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Here in the Upper Midwest, it seems young people
> may say "Awesome" when they are pleased about
> something. When it's said by someone you like, it
> can be kind of endearing at the same time that
> your inner monitor shrinks back from it a little.


Oh, yes.

I recognize the feeling...

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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So the vocabulary of words that are might use for outstanding works of the beautiful and the sublime is apt to be debased. Thus it behooves us to read authors who use those words responsibly, evocatively, in ways that will help us to recover their more useful, legitimate meanings.

"So the vocabulary of words that one might use"

I want to mention the digital technology, mobile phones, computers, Internet connections, and all the further associated little gadgets forced upon us to make things work. I HATE IT!

First of all, there is no Beauty in it. Aesthetics have not been integrated in this technological revolution. There is no logic or practical sensibility in its approach. It is NOT user-friendly. You often need to be a technical wiz to solve repeated issues, or have a talent for non-visual theoretical thinking to grasp it. And you must read tiny print over and over, as the technology changes continually. The information and instructions associated with it, is often confusing, abstract, and muddled with technical terms. There is no sense of clear organic design on these gadgets; instead tiny unorganized details, and unclear symbols that lack all association to human experience. Opening- and closing- and starting-mechanisms are often concealed mysteries.

And once you have become used to a system, THEY change it, and you have to get new gadgets, and update your software. BUY! BUY! Otherwise you can't even pay an online bill. I have been on brink several times of being subjected to debt collection because I couldn't get a grip on the digital technology to pay my bills on time! TODAY I have spent the entire day trying to figure out how to pay the post office's online shipping fee (after subtle technological digital changes) for a small piece of garment I sold at an online auction (worth about 10$)! I was about to say now, "it is not worth the time", but it is so absurd that one almost becomes crazy. All that's left is just to stand completely drained, shaking one's head.

The Internet was supposed to make things smoother and quicker, but things instead take LONGER! Several mind-eating steps, and stalling in-between each, to complete errands. THEY tie us up and waste out time! THEY keep us locked up by our computer screens and mobile phones! All day long! It is UGLY!

At the same time THEY are about to remove physical money altogether, so that we will become complete slaves under the digital technology; every move we do and purchase we make, will be monitored. Next step we will all have "individual barcodes printed on our foreheads"! Actually they have already started to surgically operate small electronic conductors in under the skin of willingly participating human "guinea-pigs", that can be scanned to control ID. It is only a matter of time before they force this onto everybody; and those who refuse, will not even be able to buy food.

Knygatin, would you be willing to post the substance of your comment above to the Super Thread? It's not that your comment is unworthy of discussion -- far from it; but that would be a better place for that discussion. Thanks.

Knygatin Wrote:
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> I want to mention the digital technology, mobile
> phones, computers, Internet connections, and all
> the further associated little gadgets forced upon
> us to make things work. I HATE IT!
>
> First of all, there is no Beauty in it. Aesthetics
> have not been integrated in this technological
> revolution. There is no logic or practical
> sensibility in its approach. It is NOT
> user-friendly. You often need to be a technical
> wiz to solve repeated issues, or have a talent for
> non-visual theoretical thinking to grasp it. And
> you must read tiny print over and over, as the
> technology changes continually. The information
> and instructions associated with it, is often
> confusing, abstract, and muddled with technical
> terms. There is no sense of clear organic design
> on these gadgets; instead tiny unorganized
> details, and unclear symbols that lack all
> association to human experience. Opening- and
> closing- and starting-mechanisms are often
> concealed mysteries.
>
> And once you have become used to a system, THEY
> change it, and you have to get new gadgets, and
> update your software. BUY! BUY! Otherwise you
> can't even pay an online bill. I have been on
> brink several times of being subjected to debt
> collection because I couldn't get a grip on the
> digital technology to pay my bills on time! TODAY
> I have spent the entire day trying to figure out
> how to pay the post office's online shipping fee
> (after subtle technological digital changes) for a
> small piece of garment I sold at an online auction
> (worth about 10$)! I was about to say now, "it is
> not worth the time", but it is so absurd that one
> almost becomes crazy. All that's left is just to
> stand completely drained, shaking one's head.
>
> The Internet was supposed to make things smoother
> and quicker, but things instead take LONGER!
> Several mind-eating steps, and stalling in-between
> each, to complete errands. THEY tie us up and
> waste out time! THEY keep us locked up by our
> computer screens and mobile phones! All day long!
> It is UGLY!
>
> At the same time THEY are about to remove physical
> money altogether, so that we will become complete
> slaves under the digital technology; every move we
> do and purchase we make, will be monitored. Next
> step we will all have "individual barcodes printed
> on our foreheads"! Actually they have already
> started to surgically operate small electronic
> conductors in under the skin of willingly
> participating human "guinea-pigs", that can be
> scanned to control ID. It is only a matter of time
> before they force this onto everybody; and those
> who refuse, will not even be able to buy food.

Best to stock up on canned food and freeze dried, before it's too late.

;^)

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin, would you be willing to post the
> substance of your comment above to the Super
> Thread? It's not that your comment is unworthy of
> discussion -- far from it; but that would be a
> better place for that discussion. Thanks.

Well, ... ok. I thought it related to the lack of Beauty in our time. And the need for change.

It becomes a bit excessive for me to post the very same post twice. If you like to comment on it, I suggest you copy and paste into the other thread if you prefer it that way.

Knygatin Wrote:
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> Dale Nelson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Knygatin, would you be willing to post the
> > substance of your comment above to the Super
> > Thread? It's not that your comment is unworthy
> of
> > discussion -- far from it; but that would be a
> > better place for that discussion. Thanks.
>
> Well, ... ok. I thought it related to the lack of
> Beauty in our time. And the need for change.
>

Sometimes Beauty can be better appreciated by also looking at the lack of it. Like with light and darkness.

So I think you were a bit hasty Dale, to chase off my post to be lost within the clutter of the Super Thread.

Knygatin, I thought your 12:26 pm posting of 21 July would be more appropriately posted at the Super Thread and suggested you re-post it there. Your posting remains here where it was, so no chasing off has occurred, nor could it, since no one except maybe the moderator (I think there is a moderator) can remove other people's postings.

Well in that case, Dale, if we are nitpicking, I view your and Sawfish's exchange about the inflation of words equally out of place in this thread. We shall see if the moderator decides to remove that to the Super Thread as well.

Knygatin Wrote:
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> Well in that case, Dale, if we are nitpicking, I
> view your and Sawfish's exchange about the
> inflation of words equally out of place in this
> thread. We shall see if the moderator decides to
> remove that to the Super Thread as well.


Like God, the Moderator is dead.

Nietzche killed him...

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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Knygatin Wrote:
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> Well in that case, Dale, if we are nitpicking, I
> view your and Sawfish's exchange about the
> inflation of words equally out of place in this
> thread. We shall see if the moderator decides to
> remove that to the Super Thread as well.




Your post was not removed by anyone, including the moderator. Nor had I asked that it be removed.

It's still right where it was. I just checked. I'm going to ignore further remarks of this caliber on this topic.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 22 Jul 21 | 12:03PM by Dale Nelson.

Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Knygatin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well in that case, Dale, if we are nitpicking,
> I
> > view your and Sawfish's exchange about the
> > inflation of words equally out of place in this
> > thread. We shall see if the moderator decides
> to
> > remove that to the Super Thread as well.
>
>
>
>
> Your post was not removed by anyone, including the
> moderator. Nor had I asked that it be removed.
>
> It's still right where it was. I just checked.
> I'm going to ignore further remarks of this
> caliber on this topic.

Well, you criticized it being here. You didn't want it to be in your thread. That's what's relevant.

If you are honest with yourself, you would admit that your and Sawfish's exchange was equally unfit for this thread, if not more unfit.

My post still contained the subject of Beauty and the problem with lack of Beauty in our digitalized society. Therefore no potential moderator would ever remove it.

Knygatin Wrote:
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> Dale Nelson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Knygatin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Well in that case, Dale, if we are
> nitpicking,
> > I
> > > view your and Sawfish's exchange about the
> > > inflation of words equally out of place in
> this
> > > thread. We shall see if the moderator decides
> > to
> > > remove that to the Super Thread as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your post was not removed by anyone, including
> the
> > moderator. Nor had I asked that it be removed.
> >
> > It's still right where it was. I just checked.
>
> > I'm going to ignore further remarks of this
> > caliber on this topic.
>
> Well, you criticized it being here. You didn't
> want it to be in your thread. That's what's
> relevant.
>
> If you are honest with yourself, you would admit
> that your and Sawfish's

Did I hear my name being used in vain?...

> exchange was equally unfit
> for this thread, if not more unfit.
>
> My post still contained the subject of Beauty and
> the problem with lack of Beauty in our digitalized
> society. Therefore no potential moderator would
> ever remove it.

If I were the moderator, and if I was paid a sufficient amount...

;^)

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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I would guess the real reason for not wanting my post here, is that it is not formulated well enough. I have never proposed to have literate talent; my mind works more in visuals than in the use of speech and composition of words. (That is why I appreciate authors like C. A. Smith and Jack Vance, who paint with words.). And therefore I usually stay out of the two English teachers' long conversant exchanges. English is not my native language either, although it is what I prefer for literature.

So Dale and Sawfish, the stage is yours. I humbly step back. Take it away!