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The Derelict by W.H.Hodgson
Posted by: Minicthulhu (IP Logged)
Date: 6 May, 2021 07:56AM
Hello.

In reading "the Derelict" by William Hope Hodgson one can come across the phrase "a material framework." Can anybody explain to me what it means? A physical body?

And, anyway, the thing I'm going to
tell you won't explain the mystery of life, but only give you one of
my pegs on which I hang my feeling that life is as I have said, a
force made manifest through conditions--that is to say, natural
chemistry--and that it can take for its purpose and need, the most
incredible and unlikely matter; for without matter it cannot come into
existence--it cannot become manifest--"

"I don't agree with you, doctor," I interrupted. "Your theory would
destroy all belief in life after death. It would--"

"Hush, sonny," said the old man, with a quiet little smile of
comprehension. "Hark to what I've to say first; and, anyway, what
objection have you to material life after death? And if you object to
a material framework, I would still have you remember that I am
speaking of life, as we understand the word in this our life.

Re: The Derelict by W.H.Hodgson
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 6 May, 2021 11:11AM
Quote:
...anyway, what objection have you to material life after death? And if you object to a material framework, I would still have you remember that I am speaking of life, as we understand the word in this our life.

I take it to mean the concept of materialism, as a philosophy.

The passage itself seems to be that the old boy considers that survival of the material that composed a living, thinking being is, in itself, a sort of life after death, but devoid of any spiritual component.

But that the constituent material that made up the organism survives death.

The last passage:

"...I am speaking of life, as we understand the word in this our life."

He seems to imply that the surviving material that made up the previous organism then rearranges itself into another entity or entities with the characteristics of what we call "life".

Just my guess...

--Sawfish

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Re: The Derelict by W.H.Hodgson
Posted by: Minicthulhu (IP Logged)
Date: 6 May, 2021 12:17PM
Thank you for the answer.

Re: The Derelict by W.H.Hodgson
Posted by: Platypus (IP Logged)
Date: 6 May, 2021 03:44PM
The Doctor says life requires matter to make itself manifest. The Narrator, who believes in life after death on religious grounds, objects, as it seems to him that the Doctor is challenging the idea that the soul survives the death of the body. The Doctor retorts "Why should you object to a material framework after death?", which is a fair theological retort, as Christianity does teach the Resurrection of the Body. But the Doctor then goes on that he is not actually trying to talk theology at all, but is merely discussing life in the Present World as we mere mortals understand it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 6 May 21 | 03:52PM by Platypus.

Re: The Derelict by W.H.Hodgson
Posted by: Minicthulhu (IP Logged)
Date: 7 May, 2021 07:08AM
Thak you for your answer.



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