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The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Julian L Hawksworth (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2003 05:07AM
Firstly, I feel strongly that horror film directors have often borrowed ideas and themes from Clark Ashton Smith and H P Lovecraft in order to simply build images of graphic horror on screen. Yes, I still enjoy some of the films which seem to do this - but think it is sad that there have been so few attempts to make accurate on-screen representations of their works. After, both writers are experts in fantasy and horror. Some examples of such films include "The Beyond" and "Necronomicon". May the souls of CLark Ashton Smith and HP Lovecraft rest in peace!....... (and infamy perhaps?)


Looking forward to your replies, devoted and worthy fans of the genre!.......


From Julian


julianuk@37.com

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Boyd Pearson (IP Logged)
Date: 23 February, 2003 05:00PM
Lovecraft and CAS have borrowed as well - isn't this the definition of culture - a shared borrowing.

I agree that more adoptions may be nice however I am always disappointed with films of books. Crash being the only exception.

Less accurate adaptations tend to work better as they understand the diffidence in the mediums.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Kyberean (IP Logged)
Date: 23 February, 2003 08:29PM
I don't think that the point is that filmmakers have merely borrowed from Lovecraft and Ashton Smith, and that should be OK because these writers borrowed from others, too. I think the point is that filmmakers have used Lovecraftian and Smithian themes for their own ends without ever trying to replicate the spirit--which does not necessarily mean reproducing the tales to the letter--of the works in question. It's a shame, I agree, but all I can say is, "Welcome to the world of commercial filmmaking!" There is one movie that I feel captures the spirit of some of Ashton Smith's better interplanetary or science fiction tales: The Angry Red Planet (1959).

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Ludde (IP Logged)
Date: 24 February, 2003 06:00PM
Film director Curtis Harrington made a film called Planet of Blood (or something like that, I don't have the information available now) which I believe was partly influenced by Smith's story The Flower-Women. There is a nice scene where a green vampire lady from Mars(?) subtly thirsts with eager lips just like the flower-women. Harrington also had his own copy of Arkham House's Lost Worlds, in which he probably found much inspiration. :-)

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 25 February, 2003 03:57PM
Where'd you find out that Harrington had his own copy of LOST WORLDS? I'll have to check this one out, since it is out on DVD (MGM's Midnight Movies series). IMDB suggests that PLANET OF BLOOD may have inspired ALIEN, since the plots are quite similar (although the respective aliens are definitely polar opposites on the frightometer, one being essentially an erotic siren and the other a ravening beast). Of course, I always thought that ALIEN owed a lot to "The Vaults of Yoh-Vombis." Getting back to Harrington, he seems to have had a varied career, directing the Robert Bloch scripted THE CAT CREATURE and also the Dennis Hopper indie NIGHT TIDE, which I for one found suggestive of "Shadow over Innsmouth." Harrington may well represent an example of just how thoroughly images, themes and motifs from the works of HPL and CAS have penetrated popular culture. Best, Scott

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Kyberean (IP Logged)
Date: 25 February, 2003 11:37PM
That is indeed fascinating news that Curtis Harrington owned a copy of Lost Worlds. I hadn't thought of Planet of Blood (aka Queen of Blood) in decades, because it's been at least as long since I've last seen it. I remember it as being a creepily effective little film, considering its ultra-low budget (Rpger Corman had Harrington incorporate scenes from a Soviet science fiction film to which he had purchased the rights). The "Flower Women" connection never occurred to me, but, if Harrington had read CAS's works, then it certainly seems plausible.

Harrington was, I think, an intriguing and talented filmmaker with a poet's eye who rarely had the opportunity to work with material that would allow him to give free reign to his abilities--in a word, someone much like HPL and CAS during their "pulp fiction" periods. He was as skillful with more "realistic" subject matter, such as psychopathology (The Killing Kind, 1973), as he was with in his dealings with the fantastic. Night Tide remains my favorite of his works. Although I can see some "Innsmouth"-like themes in it, it is in essence a re-make of the famous Val Lewton-produced Jacques Tourneur film Cat People, which in turn took as its inspiration Algernon Blackwood's tale "Ancient Sorceries".

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2003 03:39AM
To veer slightly off topic for a moment, Lewton also had read for inspiration Margaret Irwin's ("The Book") story "Monsieur Seeks a Wife," from her collection MADAME FEARS THE DARK (which I am reading currently for a project with Joshi), when he scripted THE CAT PEOPLE. I haven't seen NIGHT TIDES for many years either. I taped it off of a UHF station back when they ran movies at 3:00 am instead of infomercials. I see that it is out on dvd, though, and am putting it on list (ordering a bunch of Val Lewton DVDs from France takes priority, though!) Wish they'd bring Harrington' THE CAT CREATURE out.
Someone else who had a copy of LOST WORLDS is Philip K. Dick, incidently. Tim Powers passed that information along to me a while ago.
Best,
Scott

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Ludde (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2003 02:57PM
Well, I have Harrington's copy of Lost Worlds now. I has his inscription in it. I bought it from a second hand book dealer.

Here was much interesting information about Harrington. I didn't know much about him, and I have only seen The Planet of Blood, some years ago. I liked it very much because it was, as you say poetic, and relied on mood and visuals rather than action (although this may be partly due to the Soviet parts, which I believe are the beautiful lanscape scenes from the alien planet) Lovecraft would have approved! :) I remember the vampire as being very creepy. Somehow nonhuman and mindless... well almost plantlike :)
I once read in a film festival program about another of his films, but I never saw it. I think it was loosely based on a fairy tale, Hansel and Gretel, although my memory may be incorrect.

My feeling is that films that try to correctly and slavishly adapt a written story fail. The director is only a parrot, and it is always dead. Much better results come when the film director is "inspired", and makes something more or less based on the source, speaking with his own voice. Then it becomes alive. I don't want to see serious, ambitious, and "truthful" transfers of Smith's stories to the screen (we already have the films in our heads, and with Smith's vocabulary descriptions we don't need a screen), but inspired artist directors with unique voices are welcome.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Ludde (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2003 04:22PM
Read "..Smith's vocabulary visualizations.."

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Julian L Hawksworth (IP Logged)
Date: 1 March, 2003 05:16AM
As a relatively new user of this site, I would like to thank those who have replied to my disccussion threads so far. From what I have read, it is clear that there are of course both advantages and disadvantages when film directors attempt to portray the fantasic "visions" which Clark Ashton Smith and H P Lovecraft describe in their writings. In my experience as a dedicated fan of the horror genre, "From Beyond" and "Necronomicon" are perhaps quite good film adaptions of stories by H P Lovecraft. Even so, as readers will remember, Lovecraft's short story, "The Beyond", does not actually include any graphic descriptions of violence or even include some clear details about the creatures. Therefore, in my view, the film adaption actually builds upon the origional narrative. In other words, Brian Yuzna's film of this story actually improves upon the narrative by allowing an audience to visualise what Lovecraft did not describe! .......

From Julian (Mr J L Hawksworth)

P.S. Whilst there are some weaknesses in the film "Necronomicon", I hold the view that this one does at least try to re-invent some of Lovecraft's themes for the modern world.......

Further responses to this ongoing thread would be most valued!

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 2 March, 2003 11:55PM
I can't really agree that NECRONOMICON is a faithful adaptation of HPL's work, although unlike many I think that portions of it are quite effective (especially the riff on "The Whisperer in Darkness"). (Interestingly enough, the director of the first segment, "The Drowned," also directed THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF, which I thought captured the flavor of an Averoigne tale rather well.) The film THE BEYOND, by Lucio Fulci (spelling?), doesn't really have anything to do with either CAS or HPL despite the appearance of the Book of Eibon; unlike Dario Argento or Mario Bava, I can't really appreciate Fulci's rather repellant tales.
Speaking of Bava, it seems that the DVD of PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES which is out is one directed by him and not Curtis Harrington, as I thought earlier.
Another film which is highly reminiscent of CAS is THE HAND OF NIGHT, aka BEAST OF MOROCCO, an unusual vampire story set in North Africa in the early 1960s. It involves an American mourning the loss of his family in an accident whose death-wish opens him to approach by a lamia-like revenant existing in a palace of illusion in the desert. Eventually he turns his back on her, causing her destruction, only then realizing that he really had loved her and that the pain of losing her far eclipses his earlier and more mundane loss. The dry, desert setting and general atmosphere of decadence and loss is strongly suggestive of both the Zothique stories, especially "Morthylla," and "The End of the Story." I had a copy on Beta taken from TV but it has long returned to the dust, just as its heroine did. I wish someone would resurrect it on DVD, especially since such fine films as CASTLE OF BLOOD with Barbara Steele have been resurrected.
As a general rule, what I look for in a film adaptation is not slavish adherence to plot but more a general understanding of themes and values. A motion picture is a new, if not original, work of art, and also a work of literary criticism since the director and scenarist are presenting their interpretation of what the author of the source material wrote. Sometimes this works out well, as with the BFI film of M. R. James' "WHISTLE AND I'LL COME TO YOU," othertimes it doesn't as in DIE, MONSTER, DIE. Sometimes a film gets it half right, as in the films THE CURSE (Claude Atkins in "Colour out of Space") and "The Resurrected"): they got most of it right but failed to understand just how important the original settings were to the story.
Oh well--back to Irwin, and then some W. F. Harvey.
Best,
Scott Connors

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Ludde (IP Logged)
Date: 3 March, 2003 01:57PM
I have a rather nice little 4 minute animation live-action adapation of "Dagon" by Richard Corben, available on "Lurker In the Lobby volume II" from http://www.beyond-books.com. DAGON features an effective sound-track with manic chanting, and half-frog humanoid worshippers dancing blasphemously, and also Dagon Itself.

Beyond Books have many amateur films based on Lovecraft's works, but, alas, nothing based on Smith (it makes me think of "The Chain of Aforgomon" where Smith perhaps might have sensed his own destiny. Lovecraft reaches a wider audience because his work combines his deeper qualities and philosophies with more general horror which the masses can identify with, that is, the feeling of belonging to the world, wanting to be snug in ones home and community, but that something from outside threatens this, a feeling most people are familiar with. Smith on the other hand was weary of the world and his brilliant mind could sense beauties beyond the mundane world, something which most people can't grasp except for divine yearning).

THE HAND OF NIGHT sounds very interesting. Must check it out.

In his Dance Macabre Stephen King wrote something like that there are three forms of fear: the finest form of fear is terror of the unknown. If a writer is unable to achieve terror, he can use horror, by showing the "unknown" to the audience. And if he is even unable to make something scary to exhibit to the audience, he can use the third and lowest form, chocking with blood and gore.
I feel that many horror films have very high ambitions in achieving something in the second form of fear, revealing the creatures and other things hidden in the unknown. That is fine, and fascinating, but also very very difficult; in my eyes it often becomes ludicrous rather than scary.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Julian L Hawksworth (IP Logged)
Date: 8 March, 2003 04:17AM
FAO Mr Scott Connors. You seem to have misunderstood my thoughts regarding the film NECRONOMICON. I do not in fact believe that this one is a good adaptation of Lovecraft writings. However, I do feel that the producers of this film have helped to bring his themes into the present day. In addition, films such as this do at least draw attention to the fact that H P Lovecraft's classic works will always be there for genuine fans to agree, no matter how far into the future that might be.......

Further replies to this popular thread would be appreciated.....

From: Julian (Mr Julian L Hawksworth)


e-mail: julianuk@37.com

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 8 March, 2003 05:02PM
I'm not trying to be a troll or anything, Julian, but your latest statement that "I do not in fact believe that this one [ie, the film NECRONOMICON]is a good adaptation of Lovecraft writings" is in direct contradiction to your earlier statement that "In my experience as a dedicated fan of the horror genre, 'From Beyond' and 'Necronomicon' are perhaps quite good film adaptions of stories by H P Lovecraft." I think that I understand what you mean, but a little more rigor in formulating one's forensic argument is always a good idea. If I read you correctly, you are giving the directors and screenwriters of this and other adaptations credit for attempting, in varying degrees of good faith, to make accessible to the general public the themes that HPL and CAS explored in their work, but that they have not been successful in translating the actual works that these themes were first explored in to the screen. I can see that as a valid position. In fact, ever since John Strysik directed his version of "The Music of Erich Zann," I have viewed attempts to film HPL less as adaptations and more as commentaries, since the cinema is an artform of its own, and one should not expect a literal translation of a work of prose to film than one should expect its translation to ballet.
A coda to our discussion of Curtis Harrington: the DVD of THE OLD DARK HOUSE, the classic James Whale-directed comic mystery starring Boris Karloff, contains an interview with Harrington which recounts how he saved the last print of the film after Universal lost the rights to the J.B. Priestley novel upon which it was based in 1957, making it commercially without value in those pre-home video days. Harrington was a friend of Whales in his last years, and organized a screening of this film at the British Film Institute in Whales' honor, one of the few bright moments in a career shrouded in twilight.
Speaking of Karloff, how many of you have seen the film he did with Bela Lugosi that was rather loosely adapted from Poe's THE RAVEN? One scene is rather of interest to the CAS fan. During the interpretational dance sequence, where the heroine shows her gratitude to doctor and Poe fanatic Lugosi by staging the title poem, the actor playing Our Eddie is one Raine Bennett. Bennett was a friend of George Sterling's who published a little magazine called BOHOEMIA that published quite a bit of CAS' poems in verse and in prose. Bennett actually offered to publish CAS' second collection, but CAS did not wish to give up the copyright as he did with THE STAR-TREADER. STUDIES IN WEIRD FICTION published an interesting letter from Bennett to H. L. Mencken about how Sterling enlisted Bennett's aid in a futile attempt to set young Clark up with a willing lassie, the idea being that once his cherry had been plucked CAS' poetry would become more "human." Hummm...don't think it worked.
Best, Scott

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Julian L Hawksworth (IP Logged)
Date: 11 March, 2003 03:59AM
FAO: Mr SCott Connors

Thanks for helping to lengthen the thread which is slowly weaving into a longer roll! On a more serious point, I accept that one of my comments could be read as contradictory. But then again, is it not possible that I can enjoy the qualities of the film NECRONOMICON without being critical of it also? Also, I am well aware that Lucio Fulci's infamous horror flick "The Beyond" has very little do with H P Loecraft or Clark Ashton Smith. However, one needs to remember that the cinematic medium is unique and many writings by the magnificent Clark Ashton Smith and H P Lovecraft may never be filmed for cost reasons and because some would be almost impossible to interepret in this context. I'm sure that you would agree with this argument (more or less). Anyway, bye for now and thanks for helping to keep this interesting thread going.......

From: Julian

e-mail: julianuk@37.com

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Raven10 (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 06:52AM
FAO: Mr Scott Connors

Sir, firstly, thanks again for your informed opinions as expressed on this thread. Since I last used this thread, my interest in horror films in general has dropped markedly. Whilst I still enjoy some horror films, I have become cynical regarding the genre as a whole - due in part to the highly exploitative nature of these movies and the sheer unpleasantness which seems both excessive and unnecessary in so many of them. Yes, I know that it sounds simplistic to say this, but the "truth is the truth", as they say, don't you think? Anyway, this is a great website, and I remain a keen fan of the works of both Clark Ashton Smith and HP Lovecraft. Please note, that I do enjoy reading the works of a few other writers too. I think it is a great shame that there appear to be no examples of Clark Ashton Smith-related films. Or are there? Please correct me, if I am wrong about that. But before you instruct me to look at the examples of CAS-themed films mentioned on this website (which I have already read), I still hold the view that there are no direct or well-known adaptations. I still believe that the costly nature of adapting CAS work for the cinema, is a major reason wny none of his work appears to have been re-created effectively on film. As you know, there are a number of films based on HP Lovecraft stories and themes. I just wish that there were more, and hope that new ones will be inspired by his unique artistic vision in the future. This applies to CAS stories and themes too. Lastly, I now have 2 e-mail addresses, if you were not aware. These are julianuk@37.com and julian.hawksworth@btinternet.com. Feel free to reply by sending messages to either of these addresses if you would like, in addition to or instead of responding on this post. Bye for now. I hope to hear from you soon!

Regards

Julian L Hawksworth



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Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Tobias Herschel (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 07:30AM
well there's 'The Return of the Sorcerer'...should be the whole episode on youtube:

[www.youtube.com]

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Raven10 (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 07:58AM
What a quick reponse, Tobias! I have not heard about "The Return of the Sorcerer" on youtube. Presumably, you have seen it. Is it a good adaptation of the CAS story in your view? Also, is it a so-called "TV movie" or intended for cinema audiences? Please tell me more about this episode. I don't intend to view it until I know more! Understandable, don't you think?.....

Regards

Julian L Hawksworth



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Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Roger (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 08:16AM
Please, NO film adaptions of CAS's works! That would be dreadful. Talk about an unfilmable writer, his works would be massacred worse than Lovecraft's have!

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Raven10 (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 08:40AM
Roger, don't you think that it would be great if decent film versions of his work were made? Just because some of HP Lovecraft's works have been "massacred" as you put it, I don't think one can assume that this would happen for certain with a cinematic adaptation of any CAS story. Furthermore, perhaps you could explain why CAS stories might be "massacred worse", if adapted for the film genre? Yes, it would probably be very difficult to re-create some CAS themes or images for the screen, but not impossible. As I have mentioned before, the sheer cost of such a venture would probably make it unlikely to happen in the near future. On the otherhand, maybe I will be proved wrong about this at a later date. I certainly hope so. Who knows? This thread is turning out to be endless, it seems! At least "The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film" is evidently an interesting subject to talk about on this website.....

Julian L Hawksworth

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Roger (IP Logged)
Date: 1 August, 2008 09:05AM
Film and literature are two very different things in my view, and certain writers are just unfilmable. It would be impossible to translate CAS's poetic prose onto film,. And why bother? I just think it's better to come up with original ideas for films, but that's just me.

John Fante's ASK THE DUST, one of my favorite books, was recently destroyed on the screen with a film version. Another example of an unfilmable book!

I'm very stubborn about this whole issue, so maybe I should just leave it at that. I think I'm in the minority here.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Ken K. (IP Logged)
Date: 11 September, 2008 01:56AM
This is a bit off topic, but rather than start a new thread I thought I'd just toss in this tidbit for fun. Film director Guillermo del Toro is a diehard CAS fan, as you can tell from this excerpt from a recent interview:

"At the same time, I am also reading some short stories by Clark Ashton Smith who I also absolutely adore. He has been collected in a really nice four volume set--I'm up to volume three--and volume four comes out in a couple of weeks. I read him when I was a teenager and whenever a collection of his tales comes out, I buy it."

You can read the whole interview at:

[au.movies.ign.com]

Let's hope Guillermo's fans cause a run on the Night Shade Books collections!

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Jojo Lapin X (IP Logged)
Date: 11 September, 2008 04:57AM
Four-volume set? Volume four comes out in a couple of weeks? Now what might this be?

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Martinus (IP Logged)
Date: 11 September, 2008 08:23AM
My guess is that he's got his facts mixed up and is referring to the Night Shade books.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Knygatin (IP Logged)
Date: 9 November, 2008 09:20AM
Scott Connors Wrote:
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> Speaking of Bava, it seems that the DVD of
> PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES which is out is one
> directed by him and not Curtis Harrington, as I
> thought earlier.

You may have this one mixed up with PLANET OF BLOOD (aka QUEEN OF BLOOD). PLANET OF BLOOD is directed by Curtis Harrington. It is an old beautiful poetic science fiction movie, partly inspired from CAS. It has its flaws, but is definately worth seeing.

A little bit of it can be seen at Youtube.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: sverba (IP Logged)
Date: 10 November, 2008 08:54AM
I have been reviewing Lovecraft on film, from the studio attempts of the 60's to the HPL Film Fest releases of recent years. By and large I have to agree with Roger. The ineffable qualities of CAS and HPL stories are very difficult to translate to a purely visual medium, especially with the film school convention that eschews voice-over narration as a "crutch". The greatest directors are able to capture many inexpressable and complex moods and emotions so the talent is there, but for those great directors I doubt if they would pick this type of material. Tarkovsky did pick Solaris and Kubrick did The Shining, but these are exceptions.

The recent series of attempts to do HPL films illustrate the conundrum. These folks are at least trying to capture the genre, but the translation to visual medium loses more than it gains. I would recommend however the "radio drama" approach being used at the HPL Historical Society. These are much more rewarding attempts I think.

Steve

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: David Kartas (IP Logged)
Date: 12 November, 2008 12:07PM
Scot-you were talking about the Margaret Irwing book or at least a story out of it-do you find them/it good?It at leats had a briliant cover
[homepages.pavilion.co.uk]

Also,I only saw bits,but I like what I saw of "Dagon",even though Camparo or however you spell the captains name looked unuterabely silly in that tiara.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: gclowney (IP Logged)
Date: 12 November, 2008 12:58PM
I personally think that a number of stories by Smith would make excellent short films, my prime example being The Empire of the Necromancers. It's an extremely cinematic story, and I've spent time storyboarding it in my head. *Sigh*, If I only had the time and resources...

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 12 November, 2008 07:39PM
David Kartas Wrote:
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> Scot-you were talking about the Margaret Irwing
> book or at least a story out of it-do you find
> them/it good?It at leats had a briliant cover
> [homepages.pavilion.co.uk].
> htm

I read all of her weird tales, including the play "Madame Fears the Dark," so I could write a critical piece for the Joshi-Dziemianowicz edited SUPERNATURAL LITERATURE OF THE WORLD: AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. It only ran 500 words or thereabouts, so don't express detailed, in-depth analyzes, but the bottom line is yes, I think that most of her small body of work is worth reading, and it's a shame that pressure from her publishers to write more commercial work like her historicals strangled any future weird tales from her in their cradle. (How's that for an image?)
>
> Also,I only saw bits,but I like what I saw of
> "Dagon",even though Camparo or however you spell
> the captains name looked unuterabely silly in that
> tiara.

SPOILER ALERT




I thought that the scene where the Zadok Allen character gets his face peeled off was a bit much, but generally liked "Dagon".

Scott

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: David Kartas (IP Logged)
Date: 13 November, 2008 06:11PM
Yes,the only other scene I saw of it- in Spanish,but whatever-stil,the look on the mans face when they just tore of his face ,even though it lasted a second only,was horrifying.How long would one normaly live after that?

And you didnt find the guy with the tiara to look unintentionaly funny?

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: OConnor,CD (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2008 10:25PM
I own a great deal of Lovecraft films or attempts at Lovecraft films. Most have been fair to poor. But a few really shine. Dagon (which should be titled The Shadow Over Insmouth) was a good adaptation in my opinion. Take out the romance and nudity and you are alright.

The HPL Society has done well with their Cthulu film and I cannot wait for The Whisperer In Darkness. Anyone know when that will be released.

By Maddog films, a straight textbook interpretation of "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath" was released in August of 2003 and I found that quite good.

But Beyond The Wall Of Sleep is terrible. The atmosphere is their but the story is not even close to Lovecraft's.

Which films do you think stand out and anyone know of good adaptations from CAS films?

Charles D. O'Connor III

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: David Kartas (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2008 01:03PM
What is the story in the "Beyond" movie then?A dumb guy Geting a car to get ,ehem, with a girl out of his league, staring the Tra-i mean Lovecraft?

Also,im fairly at a loss how Kadath could be adapted-that would cost as much as a Lord of the Rings movie to capture it all-and im not a LOR fabnn at all,Ive just comented on the price.

And to Dagon-they was probably only going for the "UUUUUH,SCARY NAME!" aspect-but it didnt seem to taint the movie,unlike the "CThulhu Mythos" concept has tainted Lovecraft's reputation.One person recently asked for reading recomendations,and added "but away from garbage writers like Lovecraft" and after I asked how he can say that, not only did he went of to call HPL's wording "poor", but he said "Im not too hot for Sci Fi".

Now children,lets pinpoint everything utterly untrue in that statement.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: Raven10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2008 02:55PM
One film which has been mentioned very little, if at all, is "Castle Freak". I'm surprised at that, because it was supposed to have been based on Lovecraft's "The Outsider". By the way, I don't think that it even had a cinema release in my country (England).

These days, I tend to avoid films which claim to be based on Lovecraft's writings. There are not many of them, mind. And overall, I no longer think much of the examples which I have seen. Indeed, I have reached the conclusion that some writings are simply too difficult to adapt for the cinema. At least, to do so effectively.

I find it slightly ironic that anybody actually wanted to make a movie adaptation of "Dagon". That's partly because this is such a short story. Thus, there is relatively little for a movie team to work with in this case. On the otherhand, one of Lovecraft's brilliant novellas, such as, "At The Mountains of Madness", might make a good film. As could his story, "The Horror at Red Hook". What do the rest of you think?


J L H



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Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: David Kartas (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2008 05:36PM
The Horror at Red Hook is nice, but theres litle hapening there and people would swarm over the political corectness issue,im sure.

Also,I think "Dagon" is just an adapted "Shadow over Insmouth" with a diferent title.

Also,I dunno,I heard the endings diferent. Why do we need a whiny american?

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: OConnor,CD (IP Logged)
Date: 17 November, 2008 01:56AM
I believe strongly that The Horror At Red Hook would make an excellent movie adaptation if done correctly. Yes the people would swarm over the political correctness. But isn't this freedom of speech? I know CAS would attest strongly to upholding freedom of speech and so would HPL.

Yes, Dagon is an adaptation of Shadow Over Insmouth.

Other films that would make an excellent movie in my opinion are "The Shunned House" (Though its been done once to my knowledge and didn't even stay within the perimeter of the story). The Shadow Out Of Time would be cool, as would the white ship and The Horror In The Darkness.

Any one got any suggestions for titles, proper remakes and things having to do with CAS, Lovecraft, REH and all of them.

HPLHS should handle The Horror at Red Hook; though maybe someone there would get offended to. Point is we need to stop all this relative whining about race, gender etc. etc. that is becoming so big in this 21st Century.

Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: groovista (IP Logged)
Date: 10 January, 2009 07:45AM
For a long while I've had a fantasy about filming CAS's short tales, and now that I'm beginnnig to learn stop-motion animation, I may eventually take a shot at one. My first pick would (will) be CAS's first weird tale, "The Abominations of Yondo." I think the HPLHS is leading the way in the manner of "period presentation," and I'd follow suit by making a b&w silent film. I see the narrator filmed live in high-contrast, big-gesture footage, and the weird creatures he encounters in Yondo brought to life via stop-motion puppetry.

CAS stories would make an excellent series of short films. I'd choose "The Tale of Satampra Zeiros", "The Seven Geases" or "The Testament of Ammathus" for Hyperborea; "The Double Shadow" or "The Death of Malygris" for Poseidonis; "The Vaults of Yoh-Vombis", "The Dweller in the Gulf" or "Vulthoom" for Mars; "The Empire of the Necromancers", "Xeethra" or "The Master of the Crabs" for Zothique; and of course, "The Maze of Maal Dweb", because :-).

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Re: The Portrayal of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith on Film
Posted by: sverba (IP Logged)
Date: 10 January, 2009 10:09AM
Interesting times. We have Lurker Films and the HPLS attempting to do justice to HPL. CAS would be logical next step for either. "Abomination of Yondo" also would be my first choice.

If you are doing stop-motion you may want to check out the brilliant work of the Quay Brothers.

steve



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