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So...
Posted by: rutledge_442 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2008 11:01PM
Lin Carter
Robert Price
Robert Bloch
Fritz Leiber
Lord Dusany (sp?)
Algernon Blackwood

Where can I find their works?
And can I get thoughts on their work?
I wanna know which ones are the "better" of the rights as to rank them on my prioroties list of stories to find.

-Jake-

Re: So...
Posted by: shadowcat (IP Logged)
Date: 16 January, 2008 05:38AM
I admire both Leiber and Dunsany. To find their work I would try (other than ebay): abebooks, Powell's and paperbackswap (all with a .com at the end). Dunsany works can be found at Project Gutenburg as well.

Re: So...
Posted by: Radovarl (IP Logged)
Date: 16 January, 2008 06:35AM
Lin Carter - I don't think I've much anything by Carter, though I've read countless story collections and other things that he edited. As I understand it, his pastiches of Lovecraft, Howard, CAS, etc. are mediocre. If you really want to try him out, though, start with The Book of Eibon from Chaosium, since it is Klarkash-tonian.

Robert Price - Another editor, unless I'm thinking of the wrong Price.

Robert Bloch - Never read anything by him, though of course Psycho is supposed to be a classic of its type.

Fritz Leiber - Call me a philistine, but I prefer Leiber's "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" saga over much of his other work. These can be had in any number of editions, most OOP, but Dark Horse is putting out new trade paperbacks of the seven usual titles (in order, Swords and Deviltry, Swords Against Death, Swords in the Mist, the Swords of Lankhmar, Swords Against Wizardry, Swords Against Ice Magic, and The Knight and Knave of Swords); his short horror fiction is also quite good, especially things like "Smoke Ghost" and "Horrible Imaginings". These are fairly difficult to find in print, and difficult to find at all for less than an arm and a leg. I would recommend the collection The Leiber Chronicles--nice selection of stories from throughout his career, smaller price tag than some other recent offerings. I find that his science fiction hasn't aged well, but it's not bad either.

Lord Dusany (sp?) - I agree with Michael Moorcock on Dunsany, he is "Slight but inoffensive". His stuff is nicely written, very strange, but ultimately not all that interesting.

Algernon Blackwood - wouldn't know, though HPL considered "The Willows" the greatest weird tale ever written.

Re: So...
Posted by: Martinus (IP Logged)
Date: 16 January, 2008 10:24AM
There's a good Penguin selection of Dunsany, In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales, which contains the full text of his first story collection plus a wide-ranging selection of his other stuff, from his cyncical humour stories to his whodunnits. And then there's the British (published by Gollancz) omnibus volume Time and the Gods (don't confuse it with the Dunsany collection of the same name), which contains six of his best story collections although with some weird mistakes (for example, his FIRST book is placed LAST in the omnibus volume). It's magnificent stuff; it's no wonder Lovecraft and Barlow (among many others) were so taken with it.

Re: So...
Posted by: ArkhamMaid (IP Logged)
Date: 16 January, 2008 01:35PM
Robert Bloch -- far and away my favorite of these authors. It is a true shame how this wonderful writer has fallen into obscurity, but there are still some very good anthologies of his works which I suggest that you check out. "Flowers From the Moon and Other Lunacies," an Arkham House book with an introduction by Robert M. Price is one of the best anthologies that comes to mind. Definitely, definitely do not pass up Bloch's fiction; his humor, his twist endings, and the versatility of his plots are all elements of his brilliant fiction.

Re: So...
Posted by: rutledge_442 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 January, 2008 08:26PM
Thank you people.

Re: So...
Posted by: Ken K. (IP Logged)
Date: 22 January, 2008 05:14PM
I would also recommend Robert Bloch's late novel Lori, particularly if you're a Lovecraft fan. And Fritz Leiber's novel Our Lady of Darkness is a must for CAS devotees.

Re: So...
Posted by: shadowcat (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2008 05:42AM
Radovarl Wrote:
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> Lord Dusany (sp?) - I agree with Michael Moorcock
> on Dunsany, he is "Slight but inoffensive". His
> stuff is nicely written, very strange, but
> ultimately not all that interesting.

You know, I had to bide my time on this one until I found the reference, which is an introduction to Fritz Leiber's Ill Met In Lankhmar reproduced by White Wolf. Actually, Moorcock praises Lord Dunsany ("our coveted Dunsany and [William] Morris") and says that CAS didn't hold a candle to Leiber as far as writing goes. On the Dunsany wiki it is written: Michael Moorcock often cites Dunsany as a strong influence. I think you might be referring to Moorcock on Tolkien, who he is certainly not a fan of.

Re: So...
Posted by: ArkhamMaid (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2008 07:51AM
CAS didn't hold a candle to Leiber? As much as I like Fritz Leiber's writing, that's ridiculous! But then, I've never read MIchael Moorcock, so maybe he has some stylistic preference...

Re: So...
Posted by: shadowcat (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2008 12:24PM
I don't agree with Moorcock's opinion on either CAS or Tolkien, the latter he calls the leader of an unhealthy cult in regards to the Lord of the Rings first starting to take off. I enjoy Leiber's writing a lot, to the point I can forgive him for acting in the 1970 movie Equinox. However I believe that Clark Ashton Smith was much more innovative and imaginative than Leiber and could paint a vivid picture with his prose. Actually, if there is a fantasy writer whose work I bog down on and set aside, it is Moorcock.

Re: So...
Posted by: Tobias Herschel (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2008 01:43PM
...and I won't agree on that with you; I remember that in my youth when I was 14 or 15 I was an avid reader of the Elric of Melniboné stories or take the Jerry Cornelius cycle that was just great, although his works haven't been that good for the past two decades; in contrast to that I have disliked 'The Lord of the Rings' (never made more than a few pages in LotR or take 'The Silmarillion (what a waste of paper)) from the beginning and agree with Moorcock on him, it's all a matter of taste

Re: So...
Posted by: shadowcat (IP Logged)
Date: 29 February, 2008 07:39PM
It is a matter of taste, I agree. I have read the original Elric stories and I like them well enough and won't argue that they are well written, they are. The more recent Elric novels are not, in my opinion, up to par with the original books, I would have rather seen another Eternal Champion, but that is just me. I enjoy Tolkien, even the Silmarillion, but all of the "history behind the history" works after that seem to be overkill. What am I reading right now? Well this rainy night I will be reading the Ballantine edition of Zothique again.

Re: So...
Posted by: Ken K. (IP Logged)
Date: 1 March, 2008 01:48PM
Yes, blaming Tolkien for the 'unhealthy' cult of LOTR is a bit unfair--it makes him sound like L. Ron Hubbard.

In comparing writers, let's not forget that CAS had essentially finished the bulk of his fiction before Leiber started his professional career. Leiber is a very different type of writer than CAS--he seems to be much more engaged with this world and the people inhabiting it, whereas CAS prefers the wholly alien and outre. This is a gross oversimplification, to be sure, but still...how many memorable characters can you recall from his stories?

Re: So...
Posted by: Tobias Herschel (IP Logged)
Date: 3 March, 2008 04:59PM
just my last 5 cents concerning Tolkien; his intention for the LotR cycle was to create a new myth for England (taken into account his academical work on the 'Beowulf' legend) and when I saw this striking similarity between Mordor/Germany (he was in the trenches and a devout catholic), and also his simple black/white cosmos I didn't want to waste my time on reading it

Re: So...
Posted by: Scott Connors (IP Logged)
Date: 4 March, 2008 12:48PM
Moorcock (or maybe his collaborator) had very nice things to say about ZOTHIQUE in FANTASY: 100 BEST BOOKS. When I met Moorcock at WFC two years ago in Austin he told me that he greatly admired Smith for his use of language and imagination. Moorcock has a tendency to be overly critical even about writers he likes,
Fritz was pretty darn good IMO. He and Bradbury were definitely the stars of the post-HPL post-Wright WEIRD TALES, although that's like saying you're the tallest midget (with apologies to all the Little People reading this!)

Scott

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