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OT: Poetic consciousness as it relates to this...
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 18 September, 2021 10:48AM
...to this piece of poetry.

Some of you may recognize it.

Please judge it not in terms of technical proficiency, but as an artistic impression formed possibly within the realm of poetic consciousness.

Quote:
The white ducks fly on past the sun
Their wings flash silver at the moon
While waters rush down the mountain tongue
My organs play a circus tune
I dance to the wonder of your feet
And sing to the joy of your knees
The cold white dress on the mountain breast
Paints the frozen trees
The maple plants patterns in the sky
Its leaves to kiss the wind
While scores of glittering bugs and flies
Dance polkas on her limbs
I whistle symphonies of your face
And laugh for your hair so fine
In startled greens of playground grass
A child jumps rope to rhyme
Reeds and brass, the marching drums
Make a joyous sound
Trees bend low with nuts and plums
Then fall to find the ground
I hunger for your porpoise mouth
And stand erect for love
The sun burns up the winter sky
And all the earth is love

OK, now I'll be honest and open--no tricks. This was about an LSD experience. It wsas from a song that received a lot of airplay in 67-68, in the Bay Area.

I now wonder if LSD, as one of its effects, opened the mind to poetic consciousness, shoving sociological concerns into the background.

Hah! If true, it implies that the emergent generation of hand-wringing sociological consciousness addicts might be cure by a few good, solid does of acid.

So I never took LSD, but I've experimented with various other intoxicants. Come to think of it, they tend to dodge around sociological consciousness concerns, and deliver the intoxicant straight to poetic consciousness.

A major subliminal attraction.

--Sawfish

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Re: OT: Poetic consciousness as it relates to this...
Posted by: Dale Nelson (IP Logged)
Date: 18 September, 2021 12:00PM
R. C. Zaehner (Mysticism Sacred and Profane) and Huston Smith (Forgotten Truth: The Primordial Tradition) have pages on the possible relevance of psychedelic experience to spirituality. These might be of interest to you, Sawfish.

This is a good opportunity for me to say again that poetic consciousness is not always manifest in salutary ways. "Primitive" religious cults and superstitions may be manifestations of poetic consciousness and may also involve needless suffering for their adherents or the victims of those adherents. Poetic consciousness, I have said, has been the natural awareness of human beings till recent times; but all mankind is "fallen."

You can read Zaehner's article on Charles Manson, LSD, and mysticism here:

[www.unz.com]

Sociological consciousness, in which abstraction and endless pawing through political resentments and so on are so common, is unlikely to satisfy people. Thus I anticipate a future in which sociological consciousness will be augmented by, or even superseded by, a depraved and partial poetic consciousness. That is the trajectory we are on, since (for one thing) wokeism is a religion. Cf. Pitirim Sorokin's The Crisis of the Modern Age, which I haven't read, and F. Baue's The Spiritual Society, which I have, though both books came before the Woke phenomenon was labeled as such. Baue expects the emergence of a "Therian Age" that will be religious. But it will be extremely inimical to the religion I hold. Drugs may well have a role to play in the emerging new religion(s).



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Re: OT: Poetic consciousness as it relates to this...
Posted by: Sawfish (IP Logged)
Date: 18 September, 2021 01:36PM
Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> R. C. Zaehner (Mysticism Sacred and Profane) and
> Huston Smith (Forgotten Truth: The Primordial
> Tradition) have pages on the possible relevance of
> psychedelic experience to spirituality. These
> might be of interest to you, Sawfish.
>
> This is a good opportunity for me to say again
> that poetic consciousness is not always manifest
> in salutary ways. "Primitive" religious cults and
> superstitions may be manifestations of poetic
> consciousness and may also involve needless
> suffering for their adherents or the victims of
> those adherents. Poetic consciousness, I have
> said, has been the natural awareness of human
> beings till recent times; but all mankind is
> "fallen."
>
> You can read Zaehner's article on Charles Manson,

If you really want to understand the Manson phenomenon, I suggest reading the pre-trial interviews of Atkins and Van Houten, and the other interviews & various testimonies of Kasabian, DeCarlo, Watkins, and Watson's account written in prison, and sometimes the parole hearings.

You can gradually get a feel for what it was all about. You won't need--or want--an intermediary interpretation.

> LSD, and mysticism here:
>
> [www.unz.com]
>
>
> Sociological consciousness, in which abstraction
> and endless pawing through political resentments
> and so on are so common, is unlikely to satisfy
> people. Thus I anticipate a future in which
> sociological consciousness will be augmented by,
> or even superseded by, a depraved and partial
> poetic consciousness. That is the trajectory we
> are on, since (for one thing) wokeism is a
> religion.

Exactly.

And US schools are now madrasas.

> Cf. Pitirim Sorokin's The Crisis of the
> Modern Age, which I haven't read, and F. Baue's
> The Spiritual Society, which I have, though both
> books came before the Woke phenomenon was labeled
> as such. Baue expects the emergence of a "Therian
> Age" that will be religious. But it will be
> extremely inimical to the religion I hold. Drugs
> may well have a role to play in the emerging new
> religion(s).

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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