Knygatin Wrote:
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>
> However, the rise must at the same time be an
> interplay of several mental levels simultaneously.
> We can't realistically expect all of the masses to
> sit down and read fine literature; it is not going
> to happen.
>

"It is an unfortunate fact that the bulk of humanity is too limited in its mental vision to weigh with patience and intelligence those isolated phenomena, seen and felt only by a psychologically sensitive few, which lie outside its common experience."

- H. P. Lovecraft

Knygatin Wrote:

> We can't realistically expect all of the masses to
> sit down and read fine literature; it is not going
> to happen.

Many ordinary people will live decent, civilized lives without fine art, music, and literature. These things require some application and attention, and so some people have a vocation to pursue them but some do not. It is thanks to innumerable people most of whom I don't know that I have leisure for those things; I don't have to get my water for drinking, bathing, and washing from the river, all I have to do is turn a tap -- and so on. I recommend that every Labor Day one take some time to think about how the leisure that most of us enjoy -- even for writing posts at ED -- is mostly due to (if you like) infrastructure that includes people with habits such as showing up for work and so on. Many of those people would much prefer to watch spectator sports; unfortunately, typical contemporary corruption has made great advances there recently, e.g. men competing as bogus "women." To see such things happen is to see Fraud incarnated -- perhaps one remembers that Dante's Hell includes a circle for the fraudulent....*

*It is a sign of the diminished spirituality of our time that fraud has come to be thought of narrowly in terms of money-related criminality.

It is important for ordinary people, to be able to live civilized decent lives, they must have a good leadership.

Although, fortunately, there are also lots of people who have it ingrained within themselves, to be honest and descent and diligent. They defy bad leadership.

But still, we can't allow a corrupted system that drains us of spiritually and fills us with garbage.



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People need a number of qualities that recently were denounced as principles of "whiteness." I hasten to note that a great deal (I suspect far and away the majority of it) of the anti-"whiteness" stuff comes from white academics, public employees such as K-12 principals and teachers, etc.

Take a look at the "Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness" graphic here:

[www.thethinkingconservative.com]

If one must stand in line, let's say to get one's driver's license renewed, then one benefits if the DMV employee

--showed up for work on time
--is polite
--puts work (such as serving the public) ahead of play (such as texting friends)
--is willing to try to resolve problems that are a legitimate part of the job

and so on.

A campaign against "whiteness" will tend to dismantle aspects of the West that are beneficial to all. (Where those benefits have been available to some but not others due to ethnicity, then there is indeed a problem of justice; and the Western heritage, with its regard for principles of justice, is a court of appeal. It will not be beneficial if such recourse is unavailable to someone due to social class, as in various Marxian regimes, or ethnicity.)

The "good leaders" -- Knygatin, note, did not say "strong leaders" -- will live by the code of "natural law" and will be able to articulate it. But our time is infested with people who get a lot of media attention but whose minds seem to have been largely consumed by passions.

Interleaved, below:

Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> People need a number of qualities that recently
> were denounced as principles of "whiteness." I
> hasten to note that a great deal (I suspect far
> and away the majority of it) of the
> anti-"whiteness" stuff comes from white academics,
> public employees such as K-12 principals and
> teachers, etc.
>
> Take a look at the "Aspects and Assumptions of
> Whiteness" graphic here:
>
> [www.thethinkingconservative.com]
> sumptions-of-whiteness-white-culture-in-the-united
> -states/
>
> If one must stand in line, let's say to get one's
> driver's license renewed, then one benefits if the
> DMV employee
>
> --showed up for work on time
> --is polite
> --puts work (such as serving the public) ahead of
> play (such as texting friends)
> --is willing to try to resolve problems that are a
> legitimate part of the job
>
> and so on.
>
> A campaign against "whiteness" will tend to
> dismantle aspects of the West that are beneficial
> to all.

The ethical bankruptcy of CRT and its advocates is that while they loudly condemn the existence of Western cultural values, they say nothing about foregoing the benefits--material and procedural--of this same cultural.

They wish to dismantle all Western systems, but still expect a cell phone that works, plentiful and inexpensive food, and fair treatment from the public administrative apparatus.

> (Where those benefits have been available
> to some but not others due to ethnicity, then
> there is indeed a problem of justice; and the
> Western heritage, with its regard for principles
> of justice, is a court of appeal. It will not be
> beneficial if such recourse is unavailable to
> someone due to social class, as in various Marxian
> regimes, or ethnicity.)
>
> The "good leaders" -- Knygatin, note, did not say
> "strong leaders" -- will live by the code of
> "natural law" and will be able to articulate it.
> But our time is infested with people who get a lot
> of media attention but whose minds seem to have
> been largely consumed by passions.

Disheartening to consider, but this implies that the culture values--and empathizes with--a child-like need for attention and approval over consistency and personal integrity.

--Sawfish

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Part of the decadence of our time, as Sawfish implies, is that people expect the benefits of civilization to continue to themselves even while they campaign against virtues that made those benefits possible.

One of their ideas is that you can get the benefits by taxing the rich. You can hire additional people as public sector employees who will do work that somewhat compensates for the deterioration of quality of life that would otherwise ensue from their policies. For example, let the vandals write on the walls of the downtown Portland store; and hire public employees to paint over the writing (eventually).

But the rich will move their enterprises offshore rather than sit tight and be taxed harder, I suspect. The other, and greater, source of revenue (we see this now) is to tax the unborn by borrowing extravagantly. The unborn cannot object as the picking of their pockets becomes a public habit. Endless (!) resource for us so that we can indulge ourselves in an affluent but also highly permissive way of life.

It's like the "cold fusion" delusion (remember that)?

How our national enemies, e.g. communist China, must relish the spectacle we provide them.

I think I will reread Weaver's Ideas Have Consequences, a classic....

Also I recommend Reck-Malleczewen's Diary of a Man in Despair and Haffner's Defying Hitler.

Quote:

DN:
It's like the "cold fusion" delusion (remember that)?

Actually, viewing CRT as the cold fusion of social theory is a pretty decent fit.

A lot is claimed, but nothing is demonstrated objectively.

--Sawfish

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Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Take a look at the "Aspects and Assumptions of
> Whiteness" graphic here:
>
> [www.thethinkingconservative.com]
> sumptions-of-whiteness-white-culture-in-the-united
> -states/


This chart makes little sense to me. Qualities like hard work and rationality have been pillars of various Chinese and Japanese cultures for centuries.

It's also common in Japan for people to address each other with extreme formality and little emotional closeness (unless they're friends). This behavior is hardly whites-only. And anyway, plenty of white people have greeted me with a friendly and casual attitude, even when I'd prefer them to leave me alone!

And the idea that men are breadwinners and women are homemakers is nearly universal as far as culture is concerned.


> If one must stand in line, let's say to get one's
> driver's license renewed, then one benefits if the
> DMV employee
>
> --showed up for work on time
> --is polite
> --puts work (such as serving the public) ahead of
> play (such as texting friends)
> --is willing to try to resolve problems that are a
> legitimate part of the job


There exist non-white cultures that would expect such professionalism as well, and white cultures that don't have the same level of professionalism. It's further evidence that this chart is an example of the pseudo-progressive and near-sighted zeitgeist of today's popular media, more concerned with appearances than substance. With outrage and posturing rather than reason. Journalists can't even be trusted to make a proper distinction between "steer" and "cow" anymore.

Quote:

H:
Journalists can't even be trusted to make a proper distinction between "steer" and "cow" anymore.

I tend to see this as well, and what's most disturbing to me is that many of the current crop of nominally well-credentialed journalists not only don't know the difference between our hypothetical steer and cow, they fail to grasp why making such distinctions is important, thus losing nuance to mere quick surface impressions.

--Sawfish

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"The food at the new restaurant is awful, but at least the portions are large."
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It may be that the very worst aspect of CRT, the most distasteful, is this.

CRT was formulated at a meeting in 1989, according to the Wiki article. The timing suggests to me that it coalesced as a way to explain the failure of African Americans to approach similar test scores, and hence access to high paying and more prestigious careers, after the huge and concentrated policy focus after the mid 60s.

The era of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and such programs as Affirmative Action in admissions and hiring initially showed some measurable levels of gain, but this flattened and even retreated as such subcultures as hip hop and gangsta broadened out in the black communities. Neither of these social phenomena is compatible with the traditional ways to success (academic preparation and adherence to corporate norms, deferral of gratification, e.g.) and so predictably advances slowed down.

Nor does the incidence of single parent households contribute to traditional success, as borne out by statistics.

There was a need to explain away why, after 25 to 30 years (now 50+ years and counting), equality seemed not much nearer than it had been previously, or else there would be the logical necessity of accepting that the stagnation was largely self-induced.

There was also the underlying possibility that Murray and Herrnstein were right, and that full equality was not likely. This distasteful possibility plausibly accounts for both the desperation and the determination of the most committed adherents to CRT because if The Bell Curve was right, it would mean that equality is a will-o-the-wisp, and will never be achieved.

Since accepting the consequences of one's actions is far, far out of vogue and predictably that we can't all be merit scholars, we now have the ascendancy of CRT for all those who are eager to swallow the Koolaide.

--Sawfish

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Sawfish Wrote:
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> It's like the "cold fusion" delusion (remember
> that)?
>
> Actually, viewing CRT as the cold fusion of social
> theory is a pretty decent fit.
>
> A lot is claimed, but nothing is demonstrated
> objectively.


FYI:

[www.nea.org]

Dale Nelson Wrote:
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> Sawfish Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's like the "cold fusion" delusion (remember
> > that)?
> >
> > Actually, viewing CRT as the cold fusion of
> social
> > theory is a pretty decent fit.
> >
> > A lot is claimed, but nothing is demonstrated
> > objectively.
>
>
> FYI:
>
> [www.nea.org]
> -nea/we-need-teach-truth-about-systemic-racism-say
> -educators

Well, thank God, and long overdue.

It's high time we address the vicious systemic racism that prevented Barack Obama from being elected President in 2008 and 2016.

A national disgrace...

--Sawfish

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It isn't just what's taught, but what is not taught in order to make time for what is taught.

Let me say as a retired teacher of many Education majors -- these were often not exceptionally bright people; they were often not independent thinkers; they often had little interest in learning as distinct from training. I don't suppose there is much nuance in CRT, but where there is (if there is -- which I doubt), I would not be optimistic about these "pre-service teachers" being alert to it and capable of digesting it and imparting it. They will wrestle with getting the terminology down sufficiently so as to satisfy the requirements of the teacher and they will value being affirmed by other people in the class.

I've known teacher education students who had more on the ball than this and remain in touch with one or two of them, in fact. I suspect they would not disagree with much that I have written here.

This is a time of Fraud, and teachers of teachers and their pupils are often willing participants.

Sawfish Wrote (lifted from the thread A good weird/horror/sci-fi book to recommend):
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> Knygatin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > *SIGH*
>
>
> It's a lot like a snake, don't you agree? ;^)


Yeah, it is quite frustrating! I thought I had explained well enough how the financial elite functions. Yes, they are capitalists, but they opportunistically use both capitalism and socialism to their own benefit. These things go in cycles. They increase their riches and power in a capitalist society based on consumption, yes. But when more and more people in such a society build up bigger and bigger private fortunes, it approaches the end of the road. The banking elite wants that money (also because they don't want to risk compromising with their own tyrannic power slipping over to others). The banks were instigating agents behind the Russian Revolution, to get at the fortunes of the tsars. Same with the French Revolution. And that is now in the plans ahead for both US and Europe; it is what they call the Great Reset.

Moreover, the mass immigration to Europe over the last 30 years, of underachieving people from Africa and Middle East, to live off European resources and raised taxes, and draining the nations's welfare savings, money shifted over into increased consumption, is also a form of enforced socialism onto the native Europeans. That makes the banks richer, of course.

Frustrating, yes, that people never understand this simple connection. But I will have to remind myself, again, not to go fighting windmills. Hopefully then I will have some peace of mind.